Hot take

"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr) 05/10/2018 at 05:53 • Filed to: None

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2018 Buick Regal Sportback

Sedans dying is a good thing. When we regain sanity and stop buying crossovers and pickups by default, bring on the hatchbacks, liftbacks, and wagons.

. . > bhtooefr 05/10/2018 at 06:04

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Blargh, I tend to like the looks of sedans much better compared to liftbacks. :( Liftbacks usually have the proportions of the arse end all wrong.

bhtooefr > . . 05/10/2018 at 06:12

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Nowadays all the sedans have a fastback profile anyway, due to trying to get the drag coefficient down, so... really I’m just asking for the rear glass to be attached to the trunk lid.

. . > bhtooefr 05/10/2018 at 06:15

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Eh, I’d say there’s still a fair amount of 3-box design saloons with a clearly defined trunk. Main ranges of premium German offerings tend to stick to that classic formula for the most part.

bhtooefr > . . 05/10/2018 at 06:20

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In the US, trunk definition is almost gone, outside of that segment.

And, there’s also been notchback liftbacks:

Of course, that particular one was specifically marketed as not looking like a hatchback while actually being one, and it wasn’t particularly successful, but...

pip bip - choose Corrour > bhtooefr 05/10/2018 at 06:37

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but i like sedans

bhtooefr > pip bip - choose Corrour 05/10/2018 at 06:39

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You can have a car that looks like a sedan, you just get a more useful cargo opening.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > bhtooefr 05/10/2018 at 06:46

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Crossovers are just more practical wagons/hatchbacks. They aren’t going away, but wagons/hatchbacks are.

bhtooefr > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 05/10/2018 at 06:58

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It’s funny, though, there’s a shitload of “crossovers” that are just butch hatchbacks with a 1-2" lift kit.

We’re another fuel crisis away from that lift kit being taken off.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > bhtooefr 05/10/2018 at 07:17

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Gas mileage isn’t affected enough to matter. The ingress/egress is much better on crossovers.

bhtooefr > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 05/10/2018 at 07:20

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This is where I guess I suggest air suspension.

Lift the vehicle a few inches (beyond what the suspension geometry is designed for in normal operation) to get the good ingress/egress, then drop it for handling and aerodynamics.

(Worth noting that the new Ram 1500 with air suspension actually does drop the suspension at highway speeds...)

CalzoneGolem > bhtooefr 05/10/2018 at 08:23

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All I know is I want a wiper on my rear window.

bhtooefr > CalzoneGolem 05/10/2018 at 08:46

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They are pretty nice to have.

Although I wish my Prius had a wiper on the lower rear window, too...

Svend > CalzoneGolem 05/10/2018 at 08:58

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Yep. Skoda have put them on pretty much all of their cars, but for the Superb they made it a no cost option (they can’t be retrofitted later on apparently as all the wiring is put in on the build). The designer of the car didn’t like the rear wiper as he felt it disturbs the clean flowing lines. But it was a no brainer to have it.

Svend > bhtooefr 05/10/2018 at 09:07

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I totally agree. It’s not like many saloons don’t look like liftbacks already.

Take the Ford Mondeo/Fusion for the most obvious example.

Saloon.

Lift back.

Estate.

I can understand the difference between the lift back and the estate, but a saloon that looks like a lift back unless much less convenient and practical.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 05/10/2018 at 09:24

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Crossovers are just ugly wagons/hatchbacks that have taller fronts to confuse regulators so they done need to meet as strict of fuel economy standards that are designed to penalize cars for being cars. Many don’t even have more ground clearance than a car. Average cars of even the 80s-90s had the same (if not more) ground clearance as modern CUVs.

JustAnotherG6 > CalzoneGolem 05/11/2018 at 13:33

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and I just want to get rid of the useless one on our van...

CalzoneGolem > JustAnotherG6 05/11/2018 at 13:44

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That’s much more easily accomplished.